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Tracker: Published
Title: (433) GIR-WG Requirements
Description:
This document has been through "last call" in the WG mailing list, and was discussed and cleared at GGF8.  We believe it
 is ready for the next phase in document ratification by GGF.  Thanks! .
Submitted By: Greg Newby
Submitted On: 09/19/2003 1:56 PM EST
Last Modified: 05/06/2007 4:46 AM EDT
Closed: 08/09/2004 11:24 AM EST

Status / Comments Change Log Associations Attachments (5)  
Status  
Group: *
Status:* Closed
Category: * Informational
Customer: *
Priority: * 0
Assigned To: * None
Reported in Release: *
Fixed in Release: *
Estimated Hours: * 0
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resolution: *
Comments
Greg Newby: 05/06/2007 4:46 AM EDT
  Action: Update
resolution changed from PUBLISHED to none (no value)
Greg Newby: 07/13/2005 1:14 AM EST
  Comment:
Mass Update
  Action: Update
Priority changed from 5 to -
resolution changed from <None> to PUBLISHED
Charlie Catlett: 08/09/2004 4:52 PM EST
  Comment:
Mass Update
  Action: Update
Priority changed from 1 to 5
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 08/09/2004 11:24 AM EST
  Comment:
Mass Update
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Open to Closed
Category changed from <None> to Informational
close_date changed from - to 2004-08-09 11:24:48
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 08/09/2004 11:23 AM EST
  Comment:
Mass Move
  Action: Update
artifact_group changed from ISP to <None>
artifact_status changed from ready to publish to Open
assigned_to changed from 111 to 100
Category changed from Informational to <None>
group_artifact_id changed from Submit GGF Draft to Published
resolution changed from Published to <None>
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 08/09/2004 10:57 AM EST
  Attachment: GFD.027.pdf (178.04 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 392: GFD.027.pdf
Charlie Catlett: 08/06/2004 10:18 PM EST
  Comment:
This document will be published in the GGF Document series
as an INFORMATIONAL type document.

An INFORMATIONAL type document is intended to inform
the community.  It is not intended to define any standard
or recommendation, nor does it necessarily represent
community consensus or endorsement.

For more information on the GGF Document Series

see:        http://www.ggf.org/documents/
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 08/06/2004 10:18 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Final Editor Review to ready to publish
assigned_to changed from 108 to 111
resolution changed from Fixed to Published
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 07/26/2004 11:41 AM EST
  Comment:
Mass Update
  Action: Update
assigned_to changed from 628 to 108
Greg Newby: 07/15/2004 12:20 PM EST
  Comment:
Attaching word .doc for the latest/current PDF.
  Action: Update
Greg Newby: 07/15/2004 12:20 PM EST
  Attachment: gir-requirements-20040511.doc (73 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 381: gir-requirements-20040511.doc
artifact_status changed from Pending Info from Authors to Final Editor Review
Charlie Catlett: 06/29/2004 3:14 PM EST
  Comment:
This document can be advanced once an up to date .DOC or .RTF version is uploaded to the tracker.  The date of the most recent .DOC file submitted is 
prior to the most recent changes.
Thanks-
CeC
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 06/29/2004 3:14 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from ready to publish to Pending Info from Authors
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 06/17/2004 10:48 AM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from GFSG Review to ready to publish
John Tollefsrud: 06/16/2004 12:25 PM EST
  Comment:
I have reviewed the comments received in the public comment period and the subsequent revisions to the document. The document authors have adequately 
addressed the public comments. Some of these changes are non-consequential to the review process, as for example changing the reference to "GIR" and 
adding contributors. A 1/2 page section was added for use cases in response to a comment. These use cases are illustrative and are not presented as 
exhaustive of all potential use cases, and hence are merely supportive of the central arguement of the paper.  I therefore consider this new text to 
be insufficient to warrant a new document review period. I recommend this document advance to publication.

As a minor question to the GGF editor, the document authors have included in the document header the dates of interim document edits. Should these 
dates remain in the document? I don't consider these dates to be important as these interim versions of the document are not published by the GGF, but
 there may be a current practice here I am not aware of.

jt
  Action: Update
Greg Newby: 05/14/2004 4:29 PM EST
  Attachment: gir-requirements-20040511.pdf (113.55 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 326: gir-requirements-20040511.pdf
Greg Newby: 05/14/2004 4:29 PM EST
  Comment:
Based on feedback during the public comment, and one additional event, three changes were made:

1. Added two use case scenarios (as suggested)
2. Updated author/editor/contributor section (as promised/suggested)
3. Changed "GridIR" to "GIR" to be self-consistent with the WG name

No other changes were made. 

This document should now be ready for publication, we hope!
  -- Greg, Kevin, Nassib
  Action: Update
Greg Newby: 05/14/2004 4:29 PM EST
  Action: Update
Priority changed from 2 to 1
Kevin Gamiel: 04/13/2004 2:51 PM EST
  Comment:
On the usecase scenarios, we will add a couple of use cases and briefly describe them (perhaps a paragraph each).  We agree with the importance of 
providing such scenarios.  Since this is a requirements document, we don't want to constrain future work, so they will be someone cursory in nature.
  Action: Update
Kevin Gamiel: 04/13/2004 8:41 AM EST
  Comment:
Based on a previous agreement, the document will undergo minor edits to create an Acknowledgement section to include several contributors.  The "
authors" will change to "editors".
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 04/05/2004 10:36 AM EST
  Comment:
Document has now finished public comment.
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 04/05/2004 10:36 AM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Public Comment Period to GFSG Review
Priority changed from 3 to 2
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 04/01/2004 3:00 PM EST
  Comment:
SourceForge Comments:

By: Nobody/Anonymous - nobody
Recommend publication   
2004-03-20 16:04  

I've read this document and recommend it for publication. 

John Tollefsrud, ISP AD  



By: Nobody/Anonymous - nobody
 RE: Recommend publication   
2004-03-30 19:22  

I think the doc is in good shape. I'd suggest adding a section noting the folks who discussed the doc - in other WGs I've seen lists separate from the
 author list that were either a) contributors -people who sent input/participated in discussions, or b) the membership of the group during the time 
the doc was created. 

Jim Myers  

By: Nobody/Anonymous - nobody
RE: Recommend publication   
2004-04-01 18:54  

I have read this document carefully and recommend it for publication. But I like to suggest adding a section describing Grid IR usecase scenarios to 
this requirement document. It will help to distinguish Grid IR from other ordinary internet search engines. It will also show some of the important 
merits that GridIR has.

Paul Yangwoo Kim
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 04/01/2004 2:58 PM EST
  Comment:
By: Greg Newby - gbnewby
Document history   
2004-03-04 22:28  

This is the same document that went out to the GIR-WG mailing list and was discussed at GGF8 and GGF9, with some formatting changes to correspond to 
the GGF standard and some minor wordsmithing. Enjoy!
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 03/02/2004 5:11 PM EST
  Comment:
This document will now enter a 30 day public comment period. Due date 4/2/04.
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 03/02/2004 5:11 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from AD Review to Public Comment Period
Priority changed from 2 to 3
John Tollefsrud: 03/02/2004 12:35 AM EST
  Comment:
I misunderstood the sequence, thinking this had already been out for public comment as it's been in the hopper for so long. Certainly it needs to go 
out if it hasn't yet.
  Action: Update
John Tollefsrud: 02/28/2004 10:32 AM EST
  Comment:
I have completed my review of this document. This work presents a valuable proposal on information retrieval in grid architectures and is consistent 
with the formating requirements for GGF documents.  I recommend this for publication as an Informational GGF document. I would like to also suggest 
this be published for GGF10 if at all possible.

Thanks -

jt
  Action: Update
Greg Newby: 02/27/2004 8:30 PM EST
  Attachment: draft-ggf-gir-req-changes.doc (76 KB)
  Action: Update
File Deleted changed from 105: gir-req-20030605-0.pdf to none (no value)
File Deleted changed from 109: attach-file.jpg to none (no value)
File added set to 252: draft-ggf-gir-req-changes.doc
Greg Newby: 02/27/2004 8:29 PM EST
  Comment:
Based on feedback from John, I am adding a new version of this document which should replace the old (one has "highlight changes" turned on, for you 
review).  There are numerous structural changes to match the GFD-template.doc (which are not tracked via MS Word), and only a few content changes.

My main activity, as suggested by Charlie earlier, is to make the few references to OGSA more generic.  I also did some minor wordsmithing and a few 
minor fixes for clarity (all of which are tracked via MS Word).

Based on feedback from Charlie & John, this is now to be classified as an Informational document.  We believe that our next draft (Architecture) will 
be properly classified as an Experimental document, since it will provide some detail on our experiences with our (several) reference implementations.

I bumped the priority of this item to try to get its approval completed prior to GGF10.  Thanks!
  Action: Update
Greg Newby: 02/27/2004 8:29 PM EST
  Attachment: draft-ggf-gir-requirements.doc (73 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 251: draft-ggf-gir-requirements.doc
Category changed from Recommendations Track to Informational
Priority changed from 5 to 2
resolution changed from <None> to Fixed
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 02/19/2004 12:59 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Initial Editor Review to AD Review
assigned_to changed from 108 to 628
Greg Newby: 09/22/2003 4:25 PM EST
  Comment:
Adding a file: No, I don't have that option (I even double-checked in the HTML source).  Meanwhile, I've been unable for the past few hours to upload 
the editable file (I keep getting "An Error Occurred.") as a new tracker item.  I can email the editable version to you if you'd like

Document process: Yes, this is clear and I agree with the distinction.  I think the problem is that the GridForge submission categories are not so 
clear.  I'll classify this correctly, the next time around (or perhaps you can re-classify in the tracker.  I can't.).
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 4:05 PM EST
  Comment:
Hi Greg-
Re adding a file, I've added a JPEG image to this tracker- are you not seeing the portion circled in this jpeg in red? (i.e. should appear just below 
the comment text box)

Re document types, of course the series is rather young but we are trying to model the GFD series after the RFC series.  What I find in the RFC series
 is that functional requirements at the conceptual level of this draft are generally done in an informational draft.  For example, I would say that 
the following Internet Draft contains similar level of abstraction to this draft:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-bless-diffserv-pdb-le-01.txt

Whereas the following is an example of a standards-track draft, which is a much more precise specification, outlining not only required functionality 
but specifying implementation details to the level of error codes:
http://www.ietf.org/internet-drafts/draft-zeilenga-ldap-rfc2596-04.txt

As you can see this isn't an exact science, and so especially at this stage in the GGF document series history this discussion is very useful!
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 4:05 PM EST
  Action: Update
File added set to 109: attach-file.jpg
Greg Newby: 09/22/2003 3:20 PM EST
  Comment:
Thanks, Charlie. It doesn't seem like I can upload an additional file via the tracker function, so I might need to open a new document request with 
the editable document.

Here is our understanding of the process for GIR-WG.  We understand that we are to produce three documents, and bring them through the ratification 
process with GGF.  We're also supposed to have at least two reference implementations by the 3rd document.  The documents are:

1. Requirements, which is what this tracker submission is about (the Requirements document has been through "last call" on our mailing list, and was 
presented at GGF7 and GGF8);
2. Architecture, a draft of which is in the GIR-WG area (but not yet ready for your review); and
3. Specifications

So, we see this Requirements document as being part of the "standards and recommendations" category, not the "informational" category.  Maybe we don't
 understand the categories, but we want to make sure you understand the overall task as we see it.

Your suggestions for use of language concerning OGSA are good ones; we'll incorporate these changes, and whatever others you suggest, once you've had 
another round with the editable draft.  Thanks!
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 09/20/2003 3:10 PM EST
  Comment:
Greg et. al.-
Please send a text, RTF or MSWord version of the draft for editing.

My initial review of this document is that it reads as a set of functional requirements but is not a specification as one would expect in a 
recommendations track document for a "standard."  This is an extremely useful draft in that it catalogs and explains a comprehensive set of functional
 requirements, but it seems to me more appropriate as an informational document.

The draft also refers "the OGSA Grid" and to IR in an "OGSA Grid" context, referencing the "Physiology of the Grid" paper in the introduction.  
However the draft itself does not seem to be specific toward OGSA but rather toward Grid computing in the abstract.  There is some concern in the OGSA
 community about the use of OGSA as a general adjective as opposed to a specific indication of compliance to the OGSA technical architecture or 
related specifications.  To avoid confusion it would be better to avoid phrases such as "OGSA grid-based IR" in favor of simply referencing for 
context the Physiology paper and talk about general Grid.  Such phrases can be read to imply that this draft is in some way technically specific to 
OGSA, and by extension technically "compliant."
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 09/20/2003 3:10 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Open to Initial Editor Review
Priority changed from - to 5
Greg Newby: 09/19/2003 1:56 PM EST
  Action: Create

Greg Newby: 09/19/2003 1:56 PM EST
  Action: Update
File added set to 105: gir-req-20030605-0.pdf

 
 
 
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