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Title: (384) Accounting Interchange Natural Language Descriptio
Description:
Usage Record Working Group

This falls withing the SRM group which is not on the Group List. .
Submitted By: None
Submitted On: 09/03/2003 11:24 AM EST
Last Modified: 12/11/2005 10:54 PM EST
Closed: 12/11/2005 10:54 PM EST

Status / Comments Change Log Associations Attachments (8)  
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Comments
Greg Newby: 12/11/2005 10:54 PM EST
  Comment:
Mass Update
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Open to Closed
close_date changed from - to 2005-12-11 18:54:17
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 02/01/2005 1:11 PM EST
  Comment:
Mass Move
  Action: Update
artifact_group changed from SRM to <None>
artifact_status changed from Closed to Open
assigned_to changed from 133 to 100
Category changed from Recommendations Track to <None>
group_artifact_id changed from Submit GGF Draft to Not Published
resolution changed from Returned to Authors/Group to <None>
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 01/25/2005 12:22 PM EST
  Comment:
This tracker will close as this document will be resubmitted. Authors will have to create a new tracker.
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 01/25/2005 12:22 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Author Reviewing Edits to Closed
close_date changed from - to 2005-01-25 11:22:03
Priority changed from 2 to -
resolution changed from <None> to Returned to Authors/Group
Bill Nitzberg: 12/01/2004 2:19 PM EST
  Comment:
Update on current status:

After discussion among the active participants of the UR-WG, consensus is to merge the NLD and XML specifications into a single recommendations 
document.  Rebekah, Scott, and Laura have agreed to draft the consolidated document, incorporating responses to the comments received during the 
public comment period for the original 2 documents.
  Action: Update
Bill Nitzberg: 12/01/2004 2:18 PM EST
  Comment:
Update on current status:

After discussion among the active participants of the UR-WG, consensus is to merge the NLD and XML specifications into a single recommendations 
document.  Rebekah, Scott, and Laura have agreed to draft the consolidated document, incorporating responses to the comments received during the 
public comment period for the original 2 documents.
  Action: Update
Bill Nitzberg: 10/14/2004 1:13 PM EST
  Comment:
Current status:  Rebekah Metz, Laura McGinnis, and Scott Jackson are meeting on Friday to draft a roadmap forward to closeout the deliverables from 
the UR-WG, which includes a plan for what to do with this document.
  Action: Update
Jennifer Schopf: 09/08/2004 1:10 PM EST
  Comment:
contacted rodney mach to unify the two UR documents on 8/30
  Action: Update
Jennifer Schopf: 09/08/2004 1:10 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Public Comment Period to Author Reviewing Edits
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 08/30/2004 11:20 AM EST
  Action: Update
Priority changed from 3 to 2
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 08/18/2004 12:16 PM EST
  Comment:
This document has finished public comment but will wait for Bill to return from vacation so the AD's can determine the next step for this document.
  Action: Update
Jennifer Schopf: 06/16/2004 12:36 PM EST
  Comment:
public comments for this document can be entered at
https://forge.gridforum.org/forum/forum.php?forum_id=413
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 06/16/2004 10:55 AM EST
  Comment:
Document will now enter a 60 day public comment period.

Due date: 8-16-04
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 06/16/2004 10:55 AM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Pending Info from Authors to Public Comment Period
Priority changed from 4 to 3
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 06/16/2004 10:54 AM EST
  Comment:
version 1.9 is the latest document with the appropriate changes document will advance to public comment
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 06/15/2004 2:17 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from GFSG Review to Pending Info from Authors
Jennifer Schopf: 03/12/2004 6:17 AM EST
  Comment:
new draft combing this document and table
  Action: Update
Jennifer Schopf: 03/12/2004 6:17 AM EST
  Attachment: NaturalLanguageDoc[1].1.9.doc (391.5 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 268: NaturalLanguageDoc[1].1.9.doc
Bill Nitzberg: 02/18/2004 5:17 PM EST
  Comment:
It appears that many of the tables in the added appendix have been cut-off (on the right hand side).  This formatting error needs to be fixed before 
this document can proceed to Editor review.
  Action: Update
Stacey Giannese(disabled): 02/13/2004 2:10 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Returned to Author(s) to GFSG Review
Priority changed from 5 to 4
Rebekah Lepro: 02/13/2004 1:03 PM EST
  Comment:
As per editor and area chairs, the Usage Record Survey Results document was added to this document as an appendix.  Draft 1.8 of the 
NaturalLanguageDoc reflects this addition and is resubmitted for review.
  Action: Update
Rebekah Lepro: 02/13/2004 1:03 PM EST
  Attachment: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.8.doc (380 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 220: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.8.doc
Rebekah Lepro: 02/13/2004 1:01 PM EST
  Comment:
As per editor and area chairs, the Usage Record Survey Results document was added to this document as an appendix.  Draft 1.8 of the 
NaturalLanguageDoc reflects this addition and is resubmitted for review.
  Action: Update
Rebekah Lepro: 02/13/2004 1:01 PM EST
  Attachment: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.8.pdf (267.75 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 219: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.8.pdf
Rebekah Lepro: 12/18/2003 12:06 PM EST
  Attachment: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.7.pdf (60.65 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 166: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.7.pdf
Rebekah Lepro: 12/18/2003 12:05 PM EST
  Comment:
In response to editor comments:
   
      1. There are items in the UR that I think are misnamed or miscast.
  For example there is a globalidname. In the emergent view of
  federations, these identifiers may not be globally unique, just
  unique within the federation (which is perhaps all we care about).
  I suppose that if I cared about this passionately, I should
  have chimed into the doc at the WG level and at this point,
  my role on GFSG is to approve/disapprove this doc on a high
  level.

The description of this data element specifically calls out that this may be global with reference to a metascheduler or federation scheduler.

         2. There are items missing in the UR that I would have assumed should be in a usage record, for example, the time (in GMT) that the job 
initiated, so that an audit can be done if needed.
  Again, I assume that I should have gotten involved in the WG earlier and such low-level concerns should not be raised now at the GFSG level.

The NLD defines an extension element to encourage the exchange of data specifically between sites that is not individually addressed in this document.
  Further, the implementation document (XML Schema) provides several extension facilities for representing such data relevant to a particular 
accounting record.

         3. The most important concern is that there is no security mention in this doc, except to say that security is out of scope. That
  raises lots of issues for me. The two biggest are a.) declaring
  something out of scope might be prudence and encourages flexibility,
  but unless someone else declares the issue to be in scope, it
  doesnt get addressed. What we have learned in other standards
  processes is that flexibility often leads to a lack of real
  interoperability, as implementers take different approaches
  to doing the unspecified tasks. With something as complex as
  Grid software, I would think we want to be careful on what we
  leave unspecified, lest we lose interoperability.  For groups
  that want to use the UR, they will apply their own flavor of
  security around the UR and make it unreadable by others.  b.)
  The lack of security is especially serious given that there
  is no apparent architecture that this UR fits into  who will
  consume this record? Since we dont have an accounting/audit
  architecture (at least I dont know of one, and Ive asked a
  few people), the lack of any inherent security around this record
  makes it very unclear what to do with this record. I am used
  to design work where an architecture is done first, and then
  requirements on payloads (such as UR) within that architecture
  are better understood. I think the lack of an architecture in
  this area is a GFSG issue, a serious one. I dont want to inflict
  that issue on the UR group (they did their narrow job) but wonder
  where to address it.

Response:

Security was determined to be an issue for data interchange and 
implementation, not the format of the data record itself. That's what 
pushed this into the realm of "out of scope". In practice (e.g. the 
Teragrid's Accounting WG's AMIE implementation), we're seeing 
implementations of the UR that accept this and are building security into the interchange, rather than modifying the UR structure itself.  Other GGF 
groups are working on information interchange issues. Since the UR is just a data packet, it should be exchangeable via whatever standards are 
developed for other "system administration" type data (e.g. account creation, job scheduling requests).
Nevertheless, introductory and security section were included at the beginning of the document that indicate this position.
  Action: Update
Rebekah Lepro: 12/18/2003 12:05 PM EST
  Attachment: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.7.doc (280.5 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 165: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.7.doc
Jennifer Schopf: 10/28/2003 1:40 PM EST
  Action: Update
assigned_to changed from 157 to 133
Jennifer Schopf: 10/28/2003 1:40 PM EST
  Comment:
Based on SG comments, this document has been sent back to the working group for further discussion.
  Action: Update
Jennifer Schopf: 10/28/2003 1:40 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from GFSG Review to Returned to Author(s)
Priority changed from 4 to 5
Steve Crumb: 09/23/2003 7:06 AM EST
  Comment:
Updated "Sched" Group name to "SRM".
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 5:05 PM EST
  Comment:
Editor mistake- this draft should be held until after 2 week GFSG internal review (which was initiated today).
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 5:05 PM EST
  Action: Update
Priority changed from 3 to 4
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 5:04 PM EST
  Comment:
Draft in PDF format attached for public comment.

I note that the reference (survey results) is a draft that has been submitted to the GGF editor for review.  The reference can be adjusted once that 
draft has been published.
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 5:04 PM EST
  Attachment: draft-rec-ur-natlang.pdf (160.55 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 113: draft-rec-ur-natlang.pdf
assigned_to changed from 119 to 157
Priority changed from 4 to 3
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 4:35 PM EST
  Attachment: draft-rec-ur-natlang-edited.doc (190.5 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 110: draft-rec-ur-natlang-edited.doc
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 4:35 PM EST
  Comment:
This draft is being forwarded to GFSG for (max) 2 week internal review as prescribed for REC track drafts.  

The only substantive remark would be that the references section contains a URL to an online document of survey results.  References should be to 
persistent documents.  Is this reference published, or expected to be published, at some point in the near future?
  Action: Update
Charlie Catlett: 09/22/2003 4:35 PM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Initial Editor Review to GFSG Review
assigned_to changed from 108 to 119
Priority changed from 5 to 4
Charlie Catlett: 09/12/2003 6:52 AM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_status changed from Open to Initial Editor Review
Priority changed from - to 5
Steve Crumb: 09/04/2003 11:10 AM EST
  Comment:
Changed Group to "SCHED"
  Action: Update
Steve Crumb: 09/04/2003 11:10 AM EST
  Action: Update
artifact_group changed from DATA to SCHED
None: 09/03/2003 11:24 AM EST
  Action: Create

None: 09/03/2003 11:24 AM EST
  Attachment: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.6.doc (137.5 KB)
  Action: Update
File added set to 90: NaturalLanguageDoc.1.6.doc

 
 
 
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