PGI f2f Workshop Amsterdam, 29-30 April 2010


Agenda:

### 2010-04-28

9:00 CET - 9:30 CET
     Logistics and check of video-conferencing facilities

9:30 CET - 10:30 CET (STRICT TIME)
     Process Status and Update

10:30 CET - 10:45 CET
     Short E-Mail and Coffee Break
     There is a large cafeteria on the second floor in the adjacent building of NIKHEF.

10:45 CET - 12:00 CET
     Requirement Discussions

12:00 CET - 13:00 CET
     Lunch break
     There is a restaurant across the street (http://www.cafe-restaurantpolder.nl/menu_en).

13:00 CET - 14:30 CET
     Requirement Discussions

14:30 CET - 15:00 CET
     E-Mails and Coffee break

15:00 CET - 16:30 CET
     Requirement Discussions

16:30 CET - 17:00 CET
     E-Mail, Snacks, and Coffee Break

17:00 CET - 18:30 CET
     Requirement Discussions

18:30 CET - 20:00 CET
     Getting to Hotels, etc.

~ 20:00 CET
     Dinner at some Restaurant in Amsterdam


### 2010-04-29

9:00 CET - 9:30 CET
     Status Update of yesterday and Progress Debrief

9:30 CET - 10:30 CET
     Requirements Discussions

10:30 CET - 10:45 CET
     E-Mails and Coffee break

10:45 CET - 12:00 CET
     Requirements Discussions

12:00 CET - 13:00 CET
     Lunch break

13:00 CET - 14:30 CET
     Requirement Discussions

14:30 CET - 15:00 CET
     E-Mails and Coffee break

15:00 CET - 16:30 CET
     Requirement Discussions

16:30 CET - 17:00
     F2F Meeting Debrief and next steps

17:00 CET - ...
     Starting travel...

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Meeting notes

participants in Amsterdam:
Morris, Shabhaz, Balazs, Etienne, Luigi, Johannes

on the call:
Steve Crouch, Tim Parkinson, Andrew, Mark, Emmanouil, Oxana, David Wallom, David Snelling


Start: 9:55

list in wiki with ~210 requirements
condensed list created over the last days in gridForge
dropped items marked as "dropped" in details

questions?

Andrew:
  should use "raise hand" functionality
  any correlation between numbers/ids of old and new version

Etienne:
  numbers of spreadsheet

Morris:
  screensharing - raise hand
  start at the beginning of the list

Morris:
  look at the process
  review

David S:
  progress on refining requirements
  next steps, outcome of this workshop: agreement
  mutual understanding on requirments

Andrew:
  some requirmenents got dropped, want to bring some of them back

Morris:
  outcome: agreed list of requirements in scope of PGI

Balazs:
  if we want to make decisions - want to see the process of decision making

Morris:
  should talk about

David S:
  recommend to quickly go through the requirements
  general agreement

Balazs:
  one objection is enough to do it in the second round

Morris:
  comments to the process?

Dave S:
  everybody has to understand it first and then quickly accept or reject it
  once you have a requirement what to do next
  what is the next step in the process?

Morris:
  everybody can come up with a strawman

Balasz:
  forward the list to BES, JSDL,... groups

David S:
  call for suggestions?

Andrew:
  need some criteria to select

David S:
  how long do people have to put together strawman proposals

Johannes:
  collect by OGF29
  select at OGF30

Morris:
  problems with this timeline?

David W:
  should work on strawmen at OGF29

Morris:
  don't have to be completed totally but in a shape to be able to discuss them

Andrew:
  more important to get good starter strawmen from different directions

Dave S:
  by end of OGF29 you need to have chosen one

Morris:
  would be tough

David:
  go through the process
  on the screensharing


Morris:
(1)  yes - no triage quick
     list of condensed list pdf - re-proposed ha
     everybody agrees to say yes and keep them quickly

(2)  when we have the requirements ...
     any strawman that answers as many requirements as possible
    ...